An official topic that our community needs to have a say on

[Gorf]

I don't get it. If it's not a "fact" but an "opinion" - why do FD need to take any notice of it at all?

I'm not being deliberately diificult. There's a whole forum over there --->
of people who think FD need to do it the way the poster things it should be done.

I see this as something more of a select community, so my question still stands (and not in a confrontational way). What makes you think that PvP is not a majority activity? Because using the most scientific method I can think of (an audit of the peak usage of Steam's top five games in use today) I get a figure of 93% preference for PvP gaming. (And it's only that low because I assume Sid Meier's Civilization V is not PvP - I honestly have no idea..)


844,257 Dota 2
475,806 Counter-Strike: Global Offensive
65,419 Team Fortress 2
44,622 Sid Meier's Civilization V
58,774 Football Manager 2015

[Xebeth]

No confrontation detected

I looked at a couple of top 20's/30's and more than 50% weren't PVP, there were things like Mine Craft, Diablo III, WoW, etc... yes there was a lot of PVP stuff as well, but not in the majority.

But given that the particular thread was asking for peoples views and opinions, I gave mine, and mine is that PVP is not a majority thing, significant yes I would agree, but not a majority, I may well be wrong, but that's my opinion. The main point is that FD shouldn't consider it a majority thing because of vocal a minority, and that's the main thing in my view.

Basically I was just supporting Mobius' request

Without clear numbers of Open vs. Solo vs. Private, opinions are all we have.

Fly Safe

[Brax]

I just made an answer on the Elite forum and an error cleared all I wrote... well, not a problem, I'll do it again later. But if it's just a matter of numbers, can't we put something like "all xxxx commanders of yyyy group are in favor of zzzz mode"?

[Raze]

I don't get it. If it's not a "fact" but an "opinion" - why do FD need to take any notice of it at all?

I'm not being deliberately diificult. There's a whole forum over there --->
of people who think FD need to do it the way the poster things it should be done.

I see this as something more of a select community, so my question still stands (and not in a confrontational way). What makes you think that PvP is not a majority activity? Because using the most scientific method I can think of (an audit of the peak usage of Steam's top five games in use today) I get a figure of 93% preference for PvP gaming. (And it's only that low because I assume Sid Meier's Civilization V is not PvP - I honestly have no idea..)


844,257 Dota 2
475,806 Counter-Strike: Global Offensive
65,419 Team Fortress 2
44,622 Sid Meier's Civilization V
58,774 Football Manager 2015

The problem is that Elite has always been a PvE Space sim. The lack of space sims has forced all the PvP oriented players to ED because it came out first, that is all. All these trolls crying all over the forums will disappear in a heartbeat once Valykrie/Star Citizen come out because those games are TRYING to attract that community. When that happens, if we will have lost and FD caves to them we will be back to a PvE player dominated game changed horribly forever by PvP players who no longer are part of said community they fought so hard to "balance".

Also, let's be realistic here, 95% don't give two shits about how much Solo/Group are contributing to the universe, they will never admit it openly but all they care about it the unhindered ability to disrupt/ruin other players experience. THAT unfortunately is the gaming world we live in these days.

[Gorf]

I don't know why you quoted me - all I wanted was some sort of rationale behined the statement that PvP gaming is the minority. I'm not really qualified to assert whether Elite is primarily a PvP or PvE game.

Having said that - if I'd been a FD developer, I'd have pushed the PvP element too. I don't like it, but it's what sells games...