Poll regarding group policy.

[Robert Maynard]

so far im happy seeing the results for the poll, as it shows that most prefer the standard pve policy that is already in place, with the results so far it would appear that we wont need to change any ground rules but it will allow us to offer new members a clear understanding of what our group expects.


also going forward when group policy can be implemented as a game feature it will be possible to eject players who violate the pve rule into the open group. when group mechanics are implemented I think us as a group should organise some testing of the group features to ensure that it works fairly.

Indeed - I can see the logic regarding "only warzones" as it is a players conscious choice to enter a warzone knowing full well that their affiliation with the factions will dictate which side they fight on and that other players may be on the other side.

However, if the consensus is for no PvP *at all*, so be it.

I'll help in testing the group mechanics - will you let me back in when the game autokicks me to open-online?

[Wolf]

I'll help in testing the group mechanics - will you let me back in when the game autokicks me to open-online?

Do you mean you will say something like "But I was only helping to test the group mechanics!" and expect us to believe that?

[Aeryn]

I joined Mobius for PvE , I have open play for PvP(which I use), so if your policy changed I will have no use for this group. Any friends I make in here will be in my list and can be found in Open play.

My sentiments too.

The whole point of a PvE group was to allow the player a relaxing atmosphere where the risk of being targeted by another player was nil irrespective of your current status. The enemy were going to be NPCs and that is what most people are probably expecting - as I said earlier it's in the name: Playing the ENVIRONMENT

It's a slippery road - I had to smile at one of the poll options that was suggesting you could attack players with a bounty of a certain size. Call it for that it is - that's PvP and largely discriminates against pirates and smugglers. For those that know they are poor at PvP and simply want to have some fun with the AI then your decision to change things leaves a bad taste. Simply put - If people want a little action it's no bother to dock, exit the game to the menu and rejoin into open.

What a shame ... Sadly I feel the same way - if the rules for this group remain and PvP is allowed under certain circumstances I will be forced to leave.

*Edit*
The closest I have come to this kind of arrangement was when playing World of Warcraft. I specifically chose a PvE server so that I could have some fun at my own pace. When I wanted some action I could queue up to join the battlegrounds and again, to stress the point, that was my choice ... If I want to go anywhere (monster permitting of course) in the game without worry of being attacked I could, and if I wanted to accept some risk and reward I could join the battle grounds.

The current poll suggests that combat zones are fair game, which when you think about it automatically means pure PvE players can't go there.

[Wolf]

*Edit*
The closest I have come to this kind of arrangement was when playing World of Warcraft. I specifically chose a PvE server so that I could have some fun at my own pace. When I wanted some action I could queue up to join the battlegrounds and again, to stress the point, that was my choice ... If I want to go anywhere (monster permitting of course) in the game without worry of being attacked I could, and if I wanted to accept some risk and reward I could join the battle grounds.

Warzones are like battlegrounds.

The current poll suggests that combat zones are fair game, which when you think about it automatically means pure PvE players can't go there.

If you read the original group policies you will have noticed, that PvP was always allowed in warzones.
Otherwise it will be very difficult to play there correctly. How do you want to regulate warzones differently? Not allowed to join a faction other players have not chosen? Or not allowed to shoot players although they are clearly on the enemy side? Both options make warzones nearly unplayable, so the other option I see is banning warzones alltogether, which would make no sense at all.
It looks like this group will have over 1000 members soon, and no sign of slowing down. Limiting warzones to either one faction (who decides which faction?), or crippling gameplay by not bein allowed to shoot the enemy in war will just not work in a group this size. So I suggest, if you want to go to a warzone and be 100% sure to have no other players on the opposing faction, you will have to do that in solo or a separate ad-hoc group.
What is important, and why I don't want to play warzones in open for all is, that even if I know there might be players on the opposing side, group rules forbid teamkillers and backstabbers (no-faction shooters).

All the other no-PvP rules I strongly support and defend! Outside of warzones, it is strictly forbidden to attack another player!

[Mobius]

Everyone here is here for the PvE playstyle. the poll is to get a general feeling and as ive said before it would appear that rules wont need to be changed, but we will be able to elborate on other asspects of what is and isnt concidered a PvP action.

i would also guess that everyone would prefer to avoid all PvP even if its in a conflict zone, as others have shown by leaving a conflict area when another player popped up.

the group as a whole has shown that they are able to police themselves regarding PvP, and with this attitude we can become a sucsessful group.

[Neillm]

What Wolf and Mobius said. ^^

Personally, as has also been said by other people in the past, if I went to a war zone, joined a side and there was another player on the opposing faction, I STILL wouldn't attack, unless attacked first...and would probably just hastily retreat anyway.

The other suggested rules (100k bounty) are a bit arbitrary I don't see their place in this group.

As Mobius said, it doesn't look like our initial rules are going to need changing, which is great, so to the people who're (autocorrect changed that to whore ) threatening to leave, I afraid I can't follow the reasoning. The group is an entirely voluntary affair, with the ability to go Open play or Solo as and when you see fit and whatever suits your mood at the time. All these rules mean that you can enjoy friendly, safe (from players) PvE play as much as you like, with a great bunch of guys, unless you happen to fancy a bit of argy-bargy in a conflict zone.

Fly safe and peacefully, people!

[ZATZAi]

What is important, and why I don't want to play warzones in open for all is, that even if I know there might be players on the opposing side, group rules forbid teamkillers and backstabbers (no-faction shooters).

All the other no-PvP rules I strongly support and defend! Outside of warzones, it is strictly forbidden to attack another player!

This is such an important point. It's why in strictly PvP games like Battlefield people will go to the trouble of seeking out and joining high quality private servers that are moderated. Where one does not have to worry about actual griefers who are team killing or trying to crash everyone in the game via an exploit, aimbotting or hacking the game in some way.

Plus it's nice to play and fight with people you actually know and can talk to later to go over strategy and improve your skills.

[GlobusDiablo]

...Plus it's nice to play and fight with people you actually know and can talk to later to go over strategy and improve your skills.

Indeed.

[Philip Coutts]

I'll throw in my lightweight opinion to this! It's PvE everywhere for me. Even if I went to a warzone and there was a player on the opposite side I wouldn't attack them. Yes I would defend myself but I'd rather not. That said I have no problem with the conflict zones being PvP as long as everyone knows then there isn't an issue. The poll results pretty much reflect my own views.

[Aeryn]

Warzones are like battlegrounds.

There are no NPCs in WoW battlegrounds so the comparison is void - it's pure PvP.

If you read the original group policies you will have noticed, that PvP was always allowed in warzones.

Sadly the original post by Mobius on the official forum has been edited - I do not know what the original stated. Yes, it does now say PvP in limited areas which changes the nature of the group. It's not "playing the environment" but rather Limtied PvP.

It looks like this group will have over 1000 members soon, and no sign of slowing down. Limiting warzones to either one faction (who decides which faction?), or crippling gameplay by not bein allowed to shoot the enemy in war will just not work in a group this size.

The size of the group is irrelevant - if it was a pure PvE group then shooting players, even in warzones would not be allowed : If you started an attack on ship and found it to be a player then you break attack. It's a gentlemans agreement that accidents can happen though - If you kill someone then depending upon where you were maybe implement a 3 strike rule and you're out. (Which gives people the benefit of doubt when in warzones)

What is important, and why I don't want to play warzones in open for all is, that even if I know there might be players on the opposing side, group rules forbid teamkillers and backstabbers (no-faction shooters)

There's nothing to stop that from happening in the group either - there is no magical game rule that stops it from happening just because you're in a closed group. Remember - If you're allowing PvP in warzones and we're on the same side I am perfectly allowed to kill you ... Your rules : PvP is allowed there. If you're saying "no no, can't kill the same side" then that takes discipline by the individual and it's no different than saying "in a warzone there are plenty of NPCs : kill them, not the commanders"

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*Edit*
Upon reflection I feel that this group may not be the right one for me - I don't see the rules changing any time soon (and why should they for 1 person's sake ?)

For myself I just don't want to fight other commanders (or should I say I rarely want to - I am bad enough at this game without a real player reminding me of that fact) That shouldn't mean as a result I am barred from certain areas - you're allowing limited PvP into a PvE group ( ) which means it's a PvP group.

You might as well close my account and I will leave the ED group.

Good luck commanders - Thanks for having me for a while