No off-line mode

[MarrV]

Makes me think of the whole freedom of speech debate;

Everyone is entitled to share their views, even if they disagree with you.

[Cait Kryos]

Nope, it is in no way about the game. It is about the company and its attitude towards customers, at least for me. Other people simply can't play it as "online" (e.g. that guy from South-Africa with a 250 ms latency breaking any P2P session, people whose internet providers actively filter P2P traffic etc.)
I personally decided to try the final gameand give it a chance, yet currently ALL the negative expectations of "online only" seem to be coming true. From "server timed out", "authentication server not available" to "endless delays when leaving SC or hyperjump" and complete server downs on update/maintenance!
The "living" Galaxy is a PITA, at best... intersections even in Solo mode are unnerving and random at best (NPC pirates pulling me over to get 3 tons of scrap metal?! Ridiculous) and so on...
Last patch 1.05 broke the USB controllers, again! (No rudder pedals recognized, standard TM Warthog HOTAS profile enforced replacing my custom profile).
Brilliant move to constantly introduce old bugs, again, in a "feature complete gamma/release pre-view).
Yes, somebody is REALLY looking forward to the Xmas sales here... who cares about a functional game or good experience after that...

But it is functional. I haven't noticed anywhere near the number of problems your describing here - which isn't to doubt you're experiencing them, but just to point out that they aren't universal. PC games are always prone to this simply because unlike consoles there's no standardisation: your machine probably bears little resemblance to mine.

You start out, by the way, saying that it is "in no way about the game"; but your list of complaints clearly shows that it is - especially when you include among your complaints the motivation of NPC pirates in interdictions. At the risk of sounding like a hoary old '84, in the original Elite pirates just attacked you, no matter what you had in your hold. It's not particularly game-breaking, although I admit interdictions do get a bit tedious after the first few.

And again, for the record, I'm also ticked off about offline mode. My connection isn't as good as the train David Braben managed to play on and disconnects are frustrating. But I'm not so keen to demonise FD for a bad decision and a failure of communication. I'm going to press wherever possible for them to rethink this, but in the end this game is more to me then scoring points against an indy developer. ED's already paid for itself as far as I'm concerned, even with its existing faults.

[Deyn]

I would politely suggest that those who find this topic boring stay the F away from this thread.

How hard can it be?: Don't like the topic? Don't click on it.

This is by no means rocket science.

It's actually quite degrading and disrespectful to walk into a conversation that you find boring, and declare that others should stop talking? In my opinion it borders on trolling.

If you don't like the conversation just stay away. Easy.

^^^This!

@combi-whatever - As I said already: I don't want a refund, I still participate in gamma testing and I hope we get the server sources!

The sooner the better...

I can play online, well unless the server is gone, again, but I do not like the whole "dynamic, evolving galaxy, constantly messed up by humaaans!" thingy.

And I support everyone who walks the painful road to a refund, fighting Frontiers evasive actions, tricks and 'some' community member's giving us a bad "your doomed when fighting the almighty Frontier Empire" show!

In fact Frontier is walking a dangerously thin line, here and if I were them, I would do something with my PR department AND my legal staff...

We will see how this ends.

[SJT]

Adding that does not make your response any less disrespectful.

Fortunately, not having been particularly disrespectful does.

Thanks. I wasn't being disrespectful was I. I'm entitled to share my view.

Deyn has a view. Telling him to "drop it" and "live with it" is disrespectful. I could be disrespectful about some people's religious beliefs because I don't believe in sky fairies but I choose not to tell them to "drop it" or "live with it".

[Combiseries]

[quote="SJT"]

Adding that does not make your response any less disrespectful.

Fortunately, not having been particularly disrespectful does.

Thanks. I wasn't being disrespectful was I. I'm entitled to share my view.

Deyn has a view. Telling him to "drop it" and "live with it" is disrespectful. I could be disrespectful about some people's religious beliefs because I don't believe in sky fairies but I choose not to tell them to "drop it" or "live with it".[/quote]
Yes my choice of words were harsh and I've already apologised for them and reworded my thoughts.

Bringing up my beliefs just because of my signature was off the cuff and has nothing to do with it. You could have said something else as an example but no, you chose religion.

I think its best I leave the group as I don't want my beliefs to be used as an argument for or against the state of Frontiers decision making regarding this thread.

I will say this though - I agree with everyone's views about the dropping of offline mode, I was upset as well and still am. As time as gone by though the game has grown on me and its not as big a deal as it was before.

There are people who would agree with me.

Let's just pretend that I'm new to the game, never played the old versions before and then joined this group, and let's say I use tapatalk to keep on top of the forum and then use the timeline function, and at the top is 'No-offline mode'. Ah this looks interesting I'll read this, oh no its lots of people threatening to get refunds and talk of taking FD down and closed down.

Not a very nice picture to be painted for a new person to game and forum is it.

If this is going to turn into a slanging match at me personally, I'm off. I've already apologised for my choice of words, but I will stand by them when worded in a different context.

So.....God Bless You all, I pray you get what you want in the end, whether its a well deserved refund or a slap in the back for running a petition for thousands of others to get a refund and then eventually get the servers shut down a lot sooner even jeopardising future expansions because of it.

And if you think I'm being sarcastic, good. I've had enough of the self righteous to last a lifetime.

And in the famous words of Douglas Adams I'll say the same as GlobusDiablo : So long and thanks for all the fish.

Except he's still here.


But I won't be.

[Cait Kryos]

Deyn has a view. Telling him to "drop it" and "live with it" is disrespectful.

I don't agree. Not in this case, at any rate. Nothing was said that wasn't perfectly reasonable, and 'drop it' was said more in the sense of "I would drop this if I were you" advice than "shut up, I'm bored of you" - which would, of course, have been disrespectful.

I could be disrespectful about some people's religious beliefs because I don't believe in sky fairies but I choose not to tell them to "drop it" or "live with it".

The other problem with that would be that it would be utterly irrelevant here, and would look like nothing more than an en-passant pop at religion. But I'm sure you wouldn't want to come over as the sort of anti-religionist who'd do that sort of thing.

So no, your position seems reasonable on that score. Obviously, if religion *had* come up naturally, then you'd be quite within your rights to say to believers, "I'd abandon your religion if I were you, since it's not doing you or anyone else any good." I doubt anyone would call that disrespectful - just a different viewpoint.

[Deyn]

I guess the "problem" is, to refer to your religious example, if hop into a mosque, with shoes on and lecture the Imam and his "believers" about the wrongs of their religion and how it will fail against Christianity, you may just state your viewpoint, but... go figure?!

Drop it! Is disrespectful. If you mean "shut up" or "your argument will fail"... no difference.
Anyway, we won't agree on some topics and we can accept that or start argueing again.
I would like to drop this and go on . Let's accept our different opinions and wait what is to come?

[Cait Kryos]

I would like to drop this and go on . Let's accept our different opinions and wait what is to come?

That seems reasonable, though I disagree with your assessment. This is not a mosque, and "drop it" is an incomplete quote of what was said (the exclamation mark you added also changes the tone somewhat).

But yes, I am happy to leave it. I am, as I said, disappointed about the lack of offline - very much so. I am annoyed that this feature was dropped so clumsily. I am not angry about it, because this is a game. I spent money on it knowing that it might not be everything is hoped it would be - and it isn't.

It is, however, a game I have very much enjoyed playing, and will continue to support so that I - and many others - can continue playing it as long as possible, until the various campaigns of detraction and legal suits finally tear it down and deny it to all of us. At which point I guess I'll return my focus to Pioneer - still a great game, by the way.

So I'll take my leave, and let you get on with whatever you feel you have to do.

[Philip Coutts]

Okay, enough of the sniping and personnel comments. Lets be respectful and stick to the topic please.

[MarrV]

This has long stopped being constructive and is now just getting a troll-ish quality. It is not of any benefit any longer. Can it be locked?