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Re: Sorry to whomever I scraped into...my bad...sorta

Postby Schmobius » Sun Aug 16, 2015 4:08 pm

You know, since I smuggle a lot, and have found that silent running is almost worthless (I know it does something, but the effect is utterly negligible, and not worth losing shields), so I usually blast toward the mailslot on afterburners, and only slow down to the top of the blue range for last-minute alignment. This has gotten me a LOT less fines than silent running, and probably made me a slightly better pilot.

So I have to say that this leaves me wondering how to handle a paint-swapping in the mail slot. I wouldn't mind if there were some token compensation for such things (like 400-1000cr, or more if there's serious damage), but there isn't a great system for doing so. I can't spare the internals for transfer limpets, though that would be an interesting dynamic from a gameplay perspective (aside from the fact that one of you has a docking reservation, and the other needs to get out of there.) However, in the year 3000+, you'd think a simple credit transfer between pilots would be possible. Hell, an MMO marketplace would be nice. I played SWTOR for a bit, and I found the cartel market there to be very useful. A commodities market between players would make a ton of sense in the Elite setting.

Having said that, I'd much prefer to walk around my ship and stations first, so if anyone from Frontier is lurking in here, keep that in mind.
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Postby Loriath » Sun Aug 16, 2015 6:08 pm

Never gotten scanned in silent running coming in fast. Would rather silent than risk them seeing me. I have the opposite experience. That is what makes it so much fun.
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Postby Schmobius » Sun Aug 16, 2015 6:55 pm

Loriath wrote:Never gotten scanned in silent running coming in fast. Would rather silent than risk them seeing me. I have the opposite experience. That is what makes it so much fun.

Loriath wrote:Never gotten scanned in silent running coming in fast. Would rather silent than risk them seeing me. I have the opposite experience. That is what makes it so much fun.


I would get fined like nobody's business when I did silent running, even at like 5% heat. The only thing that helped was out running the scans, at which point it dawned on me that I didn't need silent running anymore. It might be incorrect of me to say that it does nothing, but I can say I have observed less than zero benefit. A lot less, when scraping a wall with no shields. I think that sucks, as an actually functional silent running tactic would be fun.
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Postby TD Bauer » Mon Aug 17, 2015 2:46 pm

I have not had good results with silent running...thus the blast my way in and out where I scraped a fellow player.

I too wish there was some sort of dynamic to be able to compensate for such accidents. I participated in the Apalar CG over the weekend, and there were lots of players coming and going from the station. I would smuggle going out, and then bring in the requested market commodities on the way back. Luckily getting out of the station firing afterburners was not too bad. But flying would have been an issue. There were a few times I smuggled into the Apalar System station and it was pretty damn tense with all the ships lining up to fly in...even then I avoided silent running and opted for boosting in.

Usually at about 4.5km out from the slot I set my thrusters to around 40% on my Asp...it takes a little bit to slow that ship down.

What makes is worse is the CMDRs that don't give a damn about which side of the slot they use...there are a few out there that shoot right for the middle.

All in all, burning in and out and made me a much better pilot.
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Postby Schmobius » Mon Aug 17, 2015 9:29 pm

TD Bauer wrote:I have not had good results with silent running...thus the blast my way in and out where I scraped a fellow player.

I too wish there was some sort of dynamic to be able to compensate for such accidents. I participated in the Apalar CG over the weekend, and there were lots of players coming and going from the station. I would smuggle going out, and then bring in the requested market commodities on the way back. Luckily getting out of the station firing afterburners was not too bad. But flying would have been an issue. There were a few times I smuggled into the Apalar System station and it was pretty damn tense with all the ships lining up to fly in...even then I avoided silent running and opted for boosting in.

Usually at about 4.5km out from the slot I set my thrusters to around 40% on my Asp...it takes a little bit to slow that ship down.

What makes is worse is the CMDRs that don't give a damn about which side of the slot they use...there are a few out there that shoot right for the middle.

All in all, burning in and out and made me a much better pilot.


Starting to wonder if the problem is that in the few seconds it takes to shut off modules, it lets the cops position by the slot. All I know is I may as well have had a neon billboard with my cargo manifest on it when they wanted to scan me in silent running.
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Postby Loriath » Tue Aug 18, 2015 6:15 am

The mechanics are supposed to be that if you are silent running, you cannot be target locked, so you can't be scanned.

Shooting does not require target lock. Hence they can kill you if they can see you, but can't scan you.

And I start to kill modules before I drop out unless SC is full of potential Cops.
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Postby Schmobius » Tue Aug 18, 2015 12:45 pm

Loriath wrote:The mechanics are supposed to be that if you are silent running, you cannot be target locked, so you can't be scanned.

Shooting does not require target lock. Hence they can kill you if they can see you, but can't scan you.

And I start to kill modules before I drop out unless SC is full of potential Cops.


It would be fun if it worked that way. I can assure you that they can still scan you just fine.
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Postby leslie.sangster » Tue Aug 18, 2015 3:16 pm

I was attacked as soon as I entered a system no scan beforehand, I was carrying slaves. I fired back before I realised it was the security forces and earned my self a bounty for a week


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Postby TD Bauer » Tue Aug 18, 2015 4:24 pm

leslie.sangster wrote:I was attacked as soon as I entered a system no scan beforehand, I was carrying slaves. I fired back before I realised it was the security forces and earned my self a bounty for a week


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There is now a small chance that you will be jumped like that on arrival at the destination system when you have 'smuggling' type missions. I think it was in a patch update not long ago. Anyway, that has happened to me a handful of times the past few days. Adds some excitement, but yeah, have to be darn careful you know who is shooting at you before shooting back. I almost made that same mistake....almost.
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Postby UnmarkedBoxcar » Tue Aug 18, 2015 4:38 pm

Based on how I understand silent running, it doesn't exactly mean you can't be scanned or targeted, but it -drastically- reduces your heat signature. Generally to the point where anyone wishing to scan/target you would need to be very, very close to your ship.

That's part of the reason your ship heats up so quickly in silent running, the vents stay closed to lower your heat footprint to those around you.

Even so, your heat signature will still be effected by how fast you are going, whether or not you're boosting, and/or firing weapons. So technically you're still targetable.

Edit: I've also noticed that some ships (Mostly Diamondbacks) can be harder than usual to lock into my sensors. Even with A-rated, I feel like I need to be much closer to a diamondback to actually get them targeted, as opposed to something with a higher heat signature/radar profile.

Haven't really tested, this, though. Could just be that NPC diamondbacks are in the habit of flying cool. If that makes sense.
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