Exioce what next?

[Kiltrathi]

Hm, I'm currently using Sabine Installation as the only safe heaven inside Exioce, and you've guessed it, that's Exioce Democrats territory.

[Judson]

In the light of the statements made that OoM lost the war, I am holding off doing anything now until we are given some clarification. Meanwhile I am testing the BGS in a tiny population system with just two minor factions.

[Walter]

Somewhat risky of being a waste of time as for now we still don't know whether the BGS works or not. QA-Kaes claims that we have lost the last war. I'm still waiting for an explanation and hoping to get one next week when the QA-Team is back to work. Unitl then I wouldn't start an other war or work in that direction. But it's up to you.

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthrea ... ost3465018

That's really odd. Is anyone keeping a daily record of changes?

There's a nearly complete record of Crimsom Electronics fall from grace in the Exioce war thread. Our former rival's influence is now down below 8% - Crimsom is now in last place as far as minor faction ranking is concerned. It makes no sense that they won the war with the Order.

A daily record is much more reliable. For instance, Gameson's figures on the bug report are highly unusual. If both sides started at about 11% and Crimson finished at 8.8% (a fall of 2.2), OoM should have finished on 13.2 (a rise of 2.2). If OoM finished on 23.4% (a rise of 12.4, Crimson should have dropped to 1%.

To establish what has happened needs an accurate history to see the pattern of changes. Either the figures are wrong, misinterpreted or correct and there is a major unrecognised feature of the game at work. But this is the BGS and an open mind to all possibilities is an essential.

One question: Did Crimson own either of the two planetary bases?

[Walter]

That's really odd. Is anyone keeping a daily record of changes?

There's a nearly complete record of Crimsom Electronics fall from grace in the Exioce war thread. Our former rival's influence is now down below 8% - Crimsom is now in last place as far as minor faction ranking is concerned. It makes no sense that they won the war with the Order.

A daily record is much more reliable and you can only substantiate a complaint with real numbers. For instance, Gameson's figures on the bug report are highly unusual. If both sides started at about 11% and Crimson finished at 8.8% (a fall of 2.2), OoM should have finished on 13.2 (a rise of 2.2). If OoM finished on 23.4% (a rise of 12.4, Crimson should have dropped to 1%.

To establish what has happened needs an accurate history to see the pattern of changes. Either the figures are wrong, or misinterpreted, or correct and there is a major unrecognised feature of the game at work, or it was all bugged. But this is the BGS and an open mind to all possibilities is an essential.

One question: Did Crimson own either of the two planetary bases?

[Judson]

A daily record is much more reliable. For instance, Gameson's figures on the bug report are highly unusual. If both sides started at about 11% and Crimson finished at 8.8% (a fall of 2.2), OoM should have finished on 13.2 (a rise of 2.2).

Not when you consider the % movements of the other sub factions that were also at war.

[Walter]

A daily record is much more reliable. For instance, Gameson's figures on the bug report are highly unusual. If both sides started at about 11% and Crimson finished at 8.8% (a fall of 2.2), OoM should have finished on 13.2 (a rise of 2.2).

Not when you consider the % movements of the other sub factions that were also at war.

Other factions' variations must also be recorded, but are not part of the calculation.

During a War or Civil war (and probably Elections) the two factions involved enter a closed state: they can only exchange influence points with each other.

Michael Brookes (3 Feb 15):
"Civil War – Triggered by changes in influence between competing minor factions, or when a single minor faction reaches a high enough influence level. Decreases standard of living and security while active. Creates conflict zones and only combat missions or actions provide any benefit to the minor faction.

"War – Triggered by and invading minor faction reaching a high enough influence level. Decreases standard of living, wealth and security for the system while active. Influence changes only apply to the involved parties and are only applied from combat missions or actions."

(Source: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthrea ... ost1691696)

This is why the figures in the bug report are so interesting, but need to be seen with a context.

And who owns the planetary bases? I don't have Horizons so can't find out for myself.

[Xebeth]

A daily record is much more reliable. For instance, Gameson's figures on the bug report are highly unusual. If both sides started at about 11% and Crimson finished at 8.8% (a fall of 2.2), OoM should have finished on 13.2 (a rise of 2.2). If OoM finished on 23.4% (a rise of 12.4, Crimson should have dropped to 1%.

Something is amiss then, looking back through the war thread, the OoM was going up at a much faster rate that Crimson was going down (typically 3:1).

The picture isn't complete as there aren't actual daily records, but each report showed a large jump for The Order coupled with a smaller fall for Crimson.

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"War – Triggered by and invading minor faction reaching a high enough influence level. Decreases standard of living, wealth and security for the system while active. Influence changes only apply to the involved parties and are only applied from combat missions or actions.

Either something's not working, or this isn't the full picture.

This is so frustrating, winning a war in a closed state should be straight forward - get your influence x% higher than the other side, but even that doesn't seem to be working, or is so full of secret variations that it can't be worked out.

Walter you have my admiration for spending so much time playing the BGS without going insane

[H.M. Serenus]

Sadly (and rather stupidly in hindsight) I only noted down the Order's numbers - so this won't help much. Nonetheless:
03.01- 11,5
04. - 12,5
04. - 13,7
05. - 13,7
07. - 16
08. - 16
09. - 17,7
10. - 18,4
11. - 19,7
12. - 19,7
13. - 20,6
14. - 20,6
15. - 20,1
16. - 20,9
17. - 21,9
18. - 22,3
19. - 22,3
20. - 23,4
The planetary bases were and are still ECEC's property. The reason why I made that bug report in the first place. I believed us to be the winner and thought we should have at least one of them.

[Tifu]

This is the list of minor faction influences in Exioce as of 0055 GMT JAN 25 2016:

Exioce Allied PLC - 51.3%
OOM - 22.3 %
Exioce Democrats - 9.1% ( up 0.1 % from yesterday)
Exioce Imperial Society - 8.8 %
Exioce Crimsom Electronics - 8.5%

If the moratorium on conflicts ends soon & the gap between Exioce Imperial & Crimson remains narrow then the most likely scenario is civil war between them. At which point we may have a decision to make.

[Tifu]

Hm, I'm currently using Sabine Installation as the only safe heaven inside Exioce, and you've guessed it, that's Exioce Democrats territory.

Hi Kilrathi, don't do a thing to endanger your status at Sabine. I may not have access to that installation soon