Agents of Mobius player faction

[Schmobius]

If we are going to be in the Empire space (eghh ) can we be vehemently opposed to slavery in all its forms?

Save your morals until after I get enough money for an anaconda.

[Avago-Earo]

Mobius Open Co-Operative?

[TorTorden]

If we are going to be in the Empire space (eghh ) can we be vehemently opposed to slavery in all its forms?

Seem to be a lot of lore disagreement around imperial slaves.
First thing first I think the game differentiate between slaves and an imperial slave for a reason.

I haven't read any of the official books but from what I gather the imperial slave system is more a matter of personal bankruptcy protection than say the ancient roman use of the term slave.
Where as one who has substantial debt can have this debt cleared for becoming indentured for an agreed upon amount of time, when this time is up you are free to go with a clean slate and any honor intact.

Now I'm not saying no imperial slave is abused or taken advantage of.
But I would put an equally critical eye towards federal corporations I'm sure there is rampant use of corporate currencies exploiting and controlling their workers as we have seen before and would see again as soon as regulations where to lax.

Just take one our more infamous coroporations today, foxcon (bought a tablet/mac or pretty much anything electronic lately?) Their workers are so poorly treated they resorted to mass suicides by jumping of the factory roof.
Foxconn's solution. Put a net around the roof..

Second update:
One could also argue that the united states has re-instituted slavery through the practices of prison labor.

[Daniel Dakota]

I'm a bloody slave, to this fecking ship !

[Schmobius]

I think it's safe to call imperial slaves indentured servants, which used to be a thing in colonial America, and I believe the practice came from England. I think the main difference between that and Elite is that I don't think anyone ever signed up to avoid the dishonor of debt, so much as to avoid being tossed in debtor's prison. The sheer numbers in the slave trade make me think the Empire has a similar student loan system to America, for all the complaining I hear from millenials. Except they just live in their parents basement instead of signing up to be stowed in someone's cargo hold to be taken to a far off system to scrub space toilets for 5 years.

[Xebeth]

Name of group: Mobius
Name of minor faction: Agents of Mobius . unless something better comes along?
Type: (e.g Democracy, Criminal etc) this is were you come in
Description: this is were you come in
Location: station :Rafferty's Mobius, Azrael system
Allegiance: independent

Type: (e.g Democracy, Criminal etc) Cooperative
Description: This group of disparate people work together for the good of the whole promoting social and economic expansion

I like the idea of being a Cooperative. As a PvE group with (mostly) work cooperatively and help each other out.

Could we not be based out of Reshas? (Mainly as I am already based there hehe )

Cooperative sounds good. The entity enforcing the policy could be direct vote or ad hoc councils.

I agree with Mobius on the home world, even if it is in Empire space.
Although he said the group has no leaders, he came up with the idea and did so much for the game , including backing to the (high) level to name a station and planet. He did not choose the location. But to honour the founder and his efforts it is the right choice. Imho.

In game lore the faction can't have a PC as founder I think. We will see.

Looking through the FAQs, you can't have a current Lore character as a leader, but there is nothing to say you can't have a PC. I agree with Wolf, Mobius should be our leader, it's the right and natural thing.

[Schmobius]

Cooperative sounds good. The entity enforcing the policy could be direct vote or ad hoc councils.

I agree with Mobius on the home world, even if it is in Empire space.
Although he said the group has no leaders, he came up with the idea and did so much for the game , including backing to the (high) level to name a station and planet. He did not choose the location. But to honour the founder and his efforts it is the right choice. Imho.

In game lore the faction can't have a PC as founder I think. We will see.

Looking through the FAQs, you can't have a current Lore character as a leader, but there is nothing to say you can't have a PC. I agree with Wolf, Mobius should be our leader, it's the right and natural thing.[/quote]

Certainly figurehead, if he refuses to be leader. But I think he's done a good job at steering us with a light touch here.

[Xebeth]

But I think he's done a good job at steering us with a light touch here.

The perfect definition of what a good leader should be

[jabokai]

I agree with some of the above about the name - it hints of a hierarchy which the group does not have. The other meanings of agents (like spy, for example) are also not very appropriate either IMHO.

The Mobius Cooperative
The Mobius Collective
The Mobius Order
The Mobius Council
The Mobius Consortium
The Mobius Network
The Mobius Society

or, some of them work better the other way around -

Council of Mobius
Order of Mobius

etc.

All better than Agents, again IMHO. I don't play the game that much these days so take my opinion with a pinch of GTF

[Loriath]

2 points I will bring up.

1: I do believe that the name Agents of Mobius has already been chosen in a previous thread, and has already been submitted by Mobius to Frontier and has been locked in. It is therefore, not part of the debate.

Update: I noticed that in the first post Mobius mentions it is not written in stone yet, so I retract point 1 above.

2: The topic of Slavery is a mute point. It exists in game, and however YOU want to play it, you can. As we will be an independent faction, we should hold no opinion on the topic, because doing so limits what players can and cannot do. you have your own convictions, please play by them, but do not expect others to abide by them or limit them.

There should be NO limitation on how a person plays this game put forth by the Mobius group/Agents of Mobius or any member. We have a current rule set which is what brings us together, and that is the ONLY rules that this faction should be promoting in the game. All other choices are up to us.

We have a Rule of No PvP (except in a conflict zone) in the group by which we abide by when we join, but that does not and will not keep any of us from going into Open or another group to do PvP outside of the group.

Lets get back to the question at hand: Mobius wants our input on:

Type: (e.g Democracy, Criminal etc) this is were you come in
Description: this is were you come in

Lets save the debate on other topics for other threads and get these details so Mobius can conclude the information required by Frontier and we can get our In Game Faction in operation as soon as possible.

And believe me, we can have a LOT of debate on the other topics, after all there have been literally tens of thousands of messages debating a single topic open vs. solo over there, I am sure we can get up to that amount if we try!