New Nvidia gfx incoming! (VR) Here we go! :)

[CMDR Abil Midena]

I also have a 780ti, and was disappointed by the 900 series. So I've been waiting on the 1080, and expect to pull the trigger as soon as they will let me. I'll probably go with EVGA again. I got lucky last time using their step up program to go from a 780 to a 780ti, so maybe I'll get lucky again.

As for SLI, here is my take. Research the game you want to use SLI for. Make damn sure people/reviewers say SLI works and provides a benefit for it. If it does, THEN go SLI and be happy with just that. DO NOT expect all/most games to benefit or even work with SLI. A lot of times you have to disable SLI just to get a game to run. IMHO and experience, SLI is simply not worth the effort and hassle. YMMV.

[thebs]

The interesting thing is how much nVidia keeps marketing x80 model to x80 model, x70 model to x70 model. So they aren't addressing the x80 Ti and Titan other than to say the GTX 1080 8GiB exceeds the Titan 12GiB.

A lot of marketing says 3x more, but some early enthusiast hands-on were saying only 50% to, at best, 100% faster, model to model. So I have a feeling when all is said and done, we're talking maybe 1/3rd faster than a x80 Ti 6GiB or Titan 12GiB. And that's fine, considering I got my 980 Ti for $500, and I'm sure the early units won't be sold for under $600, if not "marked up" by ODMs/OEMs who "overclock."

Later this fall, when demand is down and competition is up, then we'll see the price drops under $600, and I'll grab a GTX 1080 8GiB. Power is definitely less, thanx to the TSMC 16nm FET fabrication.

[TorTorden]

The interesting thing is how much nVidia keeps marketing x80 model to x80 model, x70 model to x70 model. So they aren't addressing the x80 Ti and Titan other than to say the GTX 1080 8GiB exceeds the Titan 12GiB.

A lot of marketing says 3x more, but some early enthusiast hands-on were saying only 50% to, at best, 100% faster, model to model. So I have a feeling when all is said and done, we're talking maybe 1/3rd faster than a x80 Ti 6GiB or Titan 12GiB. And that's fine, considering I got my 980 Ti for $500, and I'm sure the early units won't be sold for under $600, if not "marked up" by ODMs/OEMs who "overclock."

Later this fall, when demand is down and competition is up, then we'll see the price drops under $600, and I'll grab a GTX 1080 8GiB. Power is definitely less, thanx to the TSMC 16nm FET fabrication.

That's mostly for marketing and keeping things fresh.
The 980ti wasn't launched until about 8 months after the 980.
About the same time the 980 is dropping in price they release a slightly beefier TI version with a bit more ram and a few more cycles etc.

Or it was a case of the pascal generation took so long in development they released the ti get a "new" product in between.

[Darr Valen]

Though, if the 1080 doesn't handle 4K well enough, I might wait another half year for the 100s and the Ti model, with HBM2.

Pretty sure if it can do 96 fps VR, it can handle 4k60, most likely.

This remains to be tested.

From what I read in an article, the reason for why it runs VR so much better than the 9x generation is that it can do 6 separate viewpoints or something in a single rendering pass.

A 4k monitor will only be one viewpoint so it doesn't benefit from this ability at all.
What was to benefit mostly from this was VR and multiscreen setups.

Anyhoo, time will tell.

Yeah, I'm aware. I was watching the livestream as they released. It's a really interesting way they're fixing VR and Surround issues.

I know the 4k60 thing is as of yet untested. But, in tests it was shown to handle maxed settings games at 1600p. That's indicative that you could get a very playable 4k60 out of it. With specs like that, 4k60 isn't really theoretical as much untested in the mainstream, practical-reality.

My 780 has been due for an upgrade for some time. I'll be happily slapping a 1080 into my rig, though 2x1070s for the price are very attractive.

If you plan on using VR, you may want to research using SLI (or let me know what you know ). Although it seems like a natural for VR, with one card for each eye/screen, there are apparently problems using SLI - or no support at all.

I skipped the VR gen 1. I still want a Vive, but, eh. 2016 isn't the year of VR for me. I have too much RL stuff going on anyway, so I'd have no time to use my headset, or I'd be stealing time from stuff I need to do in the move to buy a new house. I was thinking 2x1070s for the price/performance they give. I'm not that big on SLI, but it was a thought. I'll likely just end up with a single 1080, like I did with my 780.

TL;DR, it's a great year to be a CMDR. That's for damn sure!

[Roger Wilco Jr]

Are there any plans for VR gen 2 anytime soon?

I'd consider anytime in 2017 soon.
If not, I'll probably go gen 2 sometime around Christmas.

[Loriath]

With all these folks upgrading to the 1080/70 I am sure someone will be willing to cut me a real good deal on your well loved and well used old yesterdays, not worth much, 970, right? Like a hundred Euros, shipping included? And since you will need a larger PSU I can take your old well tested one off your hands too. Tell you what, $150 euros and I will take that 970 and PSU off your hands so you don't have to go through the stress of recycling it. I promise to put it to good use. And I will even hand over my 650 to anyone that needs it for the low cost of nothing assuming someone loves it and recycles it as I will love and recycle the 970....

[thebs]

With all these folks upgrading to the 1080/70 I am sure someone will be willing to cut me a real good deal on your well loved and well used old yesterdays, not worth much, 970, right? Like a hundred Euros, shipping included? And since you will need a larger PSU I can take your old well tested one off your hands too. Tell you what, $150 euros and I will take that 970 and PSU off your hands so you don't have to go through the stress of recycling it. I promise to put it to good use. And I will even hand over my 650 to anyone that needs it for the low cost of nothing assuming someone loves it and recycles it as I will love and recycle the 970....

You'll see the GTX 970 4GiB stay well above $200 for some time, just like the prior models have for the most part. It might drop under $200 if and when the GTX 1070 becomes common, but probably not much under $200.

A lot of times these products stick around near former street prices for when someone needs an exact model for whatever reasons ... certification, existing P.O., etc... They don't cater well to the commodity consumer, who is more likely just to buy the new model, instead of the old.

The 560 Ti still seemed to stay pricey after even the 660 Ti came out. At the same time, I couldn't sell my 560 Ti because people would just buy the 660 Ti or even just a 660 (non-Ti) instead. That's why I still have my extra 560 Ti, 660 Ti and, now, 970.

[thebs]

That's mostly for marketing and keeping things fresh. The 980ti wasn't launched until about 8 months after the 980. About the same time the 980 is dropping in price they release a slightly beefier TI version with a bit more ram and a few more cycles etc.

Indeed. But the 980 Ti's 5.4-5.6Teraflops single-precision is still kick-@$$ compared to the well sub-4 and still sub-5 of the 970 and 980, respectively. The question are where are the 1000 series products, and how much does double-precision factor in too (especially for something like Elite 2.x)?

Or it was a case of the pascal generation took so long in development they released the ti get a "new" product in between.

I'm sure TSMC's issues with its 16nm FET yields had a lot to do with the delays as well. It's getting quite difficult jumping to the new feature sizes. Lithography isn't just lithography any more. We're starting to hit sheer limits in physics.

Heck, even the clock isn't really "THE clock" any more. Asynchronous sub-units are becoming commonplace, as the clock is one of the worst things ever interjected into boolean logic ... after boolean logic itself being chosen in the first place. But that's another story.

[Loriath]

You'll see the GTX 970 4GiB stay well above $200 for some time, just like the prior models have for the most part. It might drop under $200 if and when the GTX 1070 becomes common, but probably not much under $200.

I was referring to Used first of all, and second of all, I was more or less joking. Although if someone offered me the deal, I would scoop it in a heartbeat.

Your pricing is assuming USD. I am in Switzerland, and your green money does not go far here. We use the swiss franc, and that means anything that is paid for in swiss francs means we get the "Schweizer" tax. Aka, everything here with very few exceptions is MUCH more expensive than in the EU, let alone in America.

Want a TrackIR? 399 Swiss. Thats about 425 USD. Oh, that lovely EVGA 970? 400 Swiss. Oh you want a Big Mac meal with regular fries and a coke? 15 Swiss. Those Levi Jeans you buy at walmart for 20? 150 Swiss. Colgate toothpaste which is less than 1 Euro 10 minutes from my house in Germany? Almost 5 Swiss.

Its no wonder we have a shipping address in Germany. Oh but they come here for Petrol. Its about 1.10 Euros a litre. There they pay closer to 2.

Yes, sell me your used stuff cheap please

And and don't let Tor start about prices.. He is far worse off than I am, but he gets the privileged of real winters for his money ! LOL

[thebs]

Your pricing is assuming USD. I am in Switzerland, and your green money does not go far here.

US rampant consumerism at its finest (and likely our future death, don't get me started). Fully aware of the EU, let alone Swiss, issues ... sorry I forgot you were in CZ.

E.g., almost 50% of used Chevrolet Corvettes are sold overseas, often to various members of the EU because they avoid various tariffs and taxes that prevent them from being sold new in various nations. Been involved with a couple of sales to Germany and Sweden myself.

Yes, sell me your used stuff cheap please

Hmmm, I'll have to think about it with my newly available GTX 970. I'll need to read up on the laws though.