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Re: That should do it.....

Postby TorTorden » Wed Jul 05, 2017 9:31 pm

Looks like a sweet screen.
Freesync, but only 60hz max.
I know it doesn't really matter since to use freesync you need an AMD gpu.
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Re: That should do it.....

Postby Cmdr Kharma » Wed Jul 05, 2017 9:45 pm

Yea.....

As said I'm keeping an eye out for any offers on this or something similar.....

If I drop the res to 2560 x 1080 I can get a 144hz for about the same price......
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Re: That should do it.....

Postby Dudley » Thu Jul 06, 2017 5:53 pm

Cmdr Kharma wrote:Yea.....

As said I'm keeping an eye out for any offers on this or something similar.....

If I drop the res to 2560 x 1080 I can get a 144hz for about the same price......


ok...!
You know you must spend the extra on the most decadent screen available at the time...
you know it makes sense!!!! :D :D
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1TB SATA is so 2014 ... ;)

Postby thebs » Thu Jul 06, 2017 9:21 pm

Cmdr Kharma wrote:Half a tera on a stick......How things have moved on since my first build.....

I bought an 1TB mSATA 30x50mm (1.2x2") for $350 ... in 2014. In fact, it's in this very notebook. I have 512GB units in 2 other notebooks as well. Paid $150 or less for those. And yes, before you ask, they are Samsung EVO 840 and 850 units, although several Linux kernel developers don't like the 'corners' Samsung cuts to hit those performance numbers.

The lack of inexpensive M.2 NVMe 22x80mm options is why I haven't bothered upgrading to a newer M.2 mainboard/notebook at all. I mean, if I'm going to do SATA, mSATA 30x50mm is cheaper and just as fast. I'm waiting for the 4th gen M.2 NVMe 2280 units to come out, and cause a drop in the 3rd gen prices.

Of course, there's financing available for this option ...
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AMD FreeSync is an open standard, works with all GPUs

Postby thebs » Thu Jul 06, 2017 9:27 pm

TorTorden wrote:I know it doesn't really matter since to use freesync you need an AMD gpu.

That's not what I understand, if one looks at the details.

I understand nVidia's G-Sync chip, and proprietary IP, is designed to work with nVidia GPUs, but AMD's FreeSync is an open standard -- and based on most of the existing VESA, adaptive DisplayPort standard (and adapted to HDMI as well), designed to work with all GPUs (including over HDMI). Everyone agrees G-Sync is better, because it's a dedicated ASIC in the monitor working with and controlling various timing, but FreeSync leverages the GPU with some on-board, with the added protocol and details for timing.

nVidia just chooses to ignore the adaptive refresh rate of VESA DisplayPort (and the FreeSync implementation for HDMI) option, in its drivers. But the standards timing for any fixed refresh rate is still there, and available. It's sad that nVidia chooses to ignore the standards-based option in its drivers, but at least the high, fixed refresh rates are there.

I'm curious how many people are using a high refresh rate FreeSync monitor with nVidia GPUs.
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Re: AMD FreeSync is an open standard, works with all GPUs

Postby Relix Typhon » Thu Jul 06, 2017 9:54 pm

thebs wrote:I'm curious how many people are using a high refresh rate FreeSync monitor with nVidia GPUs.

Probably a lot. I've got my eye on a 144Hz 1440p screen at the moment. It's Freesync but the equivalent G-Sync ones are £100-£150 more expensive. I cant justify that for a feature that doesn't really matter that much on a high refresh monitor.

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Re: AMD FreeSync is an open standard, works with all GPUs

Postby thebs » Thu Jul 06, 2017 10:06 pm

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thebs wrote:I'm curious how many people are using a high refresh rate FreeSync monitor with nVidia GPUs.

Probably a lot. I've got my eye on a 144Hz 1440p screen at the moment. It's Freesync but the equivalent G-Sync ones are £100-£150 more expensive. I cant justify that for a feature that doesn't really matter that much on a high refresh monitor.

Yes, they are easily +US$200 here.
Intel is supporting Adaptive Sync in newer GPUs, so it's not just an AMD-only thing.
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Re: That should do it.....

Postby tinnitus » Fri Jul 07, 2017 5:51 am

The Monitor would work but I thought that freesync works only with AMD GPU. I'm using an AMD GPU and freesync Monitor it works great. This may be an ASUS thing, if you crank up above 90Hz the monitor disables freesync until you set it back to 90 or lower.
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Branding not always equal to vendor-specific ...

Postby thebs » Fri Jul 07, 2017 2:05 pm

tinnitus wrote:The Monitor would work but I thought that freesync works only with AMD GPU. I'm using an AMD GPU and freesync Monitor it works great.

Don't let marketing define the technology.

It's a common mistake many make, especially here in the US where 90% of Americans have brand loyalty, even when another entity, often foreign investors, purchases a brand (and moves production off-shore). Many times things are branded when they are open standards. In fact, AMD's branding of "FreeSync" was, more or less, "reactive" to nVidia's G-Sync marketing.

E.g., the classic example I had from the '90s ...
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The Adaptive Refresh is a VESA standard that is part of DisplayPort 1.2a and later. AMD has long been the early and primary supporter of DisplayPort, among other technologies.** AMD just branded it, enhanced it, including making their HDMI outputs support the Adaptive Refresh protocol. Those 'enhancements' have made it back into the standards because ... tada ... AMD works with VESA, and doesn't have any Intellectual Property (IP) ownership.

That's how most standards work, vendors agreeing to work with one another, and not make the consumer hostage.

It's also very common among VESA protocols in newer connection standards to be supported on older interfaces, as well as older protocols being updated on newer. DDC and EDID are great examples of how the main controllers of newer digital facilities ended up being supported on both analog and digital connections. That way the end-consumer, or tweaker for that matter, doesn't have to get involved with what port does what, etc...

nVidia just chooses to not support the VESA standard for Adaptive Refresh, especially not in DisplayPort, which has always had it since 1.2a (which is over 3 years old now ... enough for the GeForce 900 series, let alone 10). That's why people are assuming it's an AMD-only thing, even though the latest Intel GPUs are finally supporting the VESA Adaptive Refresh standard. Again, Intel is just often very late to the party, purposely. Chipzilla is all about those margins.**

**Intel is notorious for 'holding back' support ...
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tinnitus wrote:This may be an ASUS thing, if you crank up above 90Hz the monitor disables freesync until you set it back to 90 or lower.

It's up to the individual ODM on how they wish to design their controllers.

I'm sure ASUS found it couldn't guarantee their chip to handle adaptive at higher refresh rates, so higher timings, so it limited it to scaling down and up to 90Hz. But if you put the monitor in its fixed, maximum mode, then it 'just works' at that rate. Of course, you can get 'tearing.' But here's the thing ...

At 120, 144 and higher Hz, it's extremely difficult for the eye to see 'tearing,' as long as the updates are 70, 80 or 90+ times per second, let alone 100+.

It's more of an issue down around 60Hz, and definitely under. Which is why most people are just buying FreeSync monitors, and running high, fixed refresh with nVidia cards.

I.e., if a consumer is going to spend US$300, 400 even 500, for a monitor, they are often going to spend at least US$200, if not 400, for a video card that can push most titles at those high, fixed refresh rates.

The ODMs have responded with nearly an order of magnitude more monitors doing FreeSync in the past year, than G-Sync. G-Sync requires a design to be built around nVidia's chip, controlling everything from color and magnitude to the adaptive refresh. FreeSync is just a protocol, allowing the ODM to design the controller.

Of course G-Sync probably looks best in all cases. But is it really worth it? And, sooner or later, nVidia is going to be forced into supporting Adaptive Refresh. It's just a matter of when they finally capitulate, and then start marketing G-Sync as "better."
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Re: That should do it.....

Postby tinnitus » Fri Jul 07, 2017 2:47 pm

@thebs thank-you for the information. Reading the (thin) Monitor docs they write active sync(freesync) throughout the user manual never use freesysnc by itself. Did not know it is a protocol. I'm going to try it at the fixed rate and crank it up just because. Chit 90Hz that should be enough for games.
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